. jenna: dan, what do you think about that? if these people do not get benefits and they can't participate in the economy, they can't go christmas shopping. what about that point of view? >> i'm simply looking at the empirical evidence. i guess you could call it a tough love approach. if people get these unemployment benefits, they sort of figure i can hold out for a better job, i can wait a little longer to wait for a job. heck, i've known people that have used unemployment benefits as basically an excuse not to get a job for 13, 26 weeks, whatever the period was. now, obviously, if you find an example of a family with a couple of kids, that's a lot harder, harder-luck story than just some single guy goofing his way off through life -- jenna: like the guys you went to college with. no, i'm just going to leave it there. unfortunately, christian, i'll give you the first response next time because i'd love to have you both back to talk about this, and this is an important issue. thank you both very much. >> thank you. jenna: we'll be right back. ♪ [ male announcer ] are you on medicare? do